Thoughts on Rereading Mansfield Park

Mansfield Park by Jane Austen book cover

(Before I dive into the post proper, I want to apologize for being so scarce in the blogging world of late and being so shamefully remiss in commenting and whatnot. My semester is finally concluded, and I have high hopes of finally getting all caught up on that.)

I just finished rereading Mansfield Park (by Jane Austen, don’t you know; you might have heard of her, she wrote a book or two), and boy. What a ride. I think this might actually be one of my favorites of her books – it is shamefully underrated, in my opinion. Obviously I had Thoughts as I was reading, so I’m going to do a not-super-structured post talking about particular things that stood out to me on this reread.

~ The character interactions and conflicts are just so well set-up in this. Character stuff is one of my favorite things in stories, and this was just so delightful. It was downright engrossing; I had trouble tearing myself away from the story. I also do think her writing style had developed more by the time she wrote this one; not that I’m saying any of her books are bad (or that any of them are less than very good, in fact), but I think MP is probably just plain better written than some of the others.

~ I think this is the most moralistic of Jane Austen’s books (perhaps part of why it’s not one of the most popular). I usually like subtlety in such things, but at the same time I also found it quite refreshing to have such open and forthright discussions about religious and moral questions, in to have our heroes unequivocally championing high principles. Since in some of Jane’s other books she’s poking fun at examples of bad clergymen, I wonder if she wanted to make it clear in MP that she only ridicules those who are bad shepherds of the flock, and not the office itself.

~ I was thinking about a classic Hollywood dream cast as I was reading. I have several ideas…Joan Fontaine would be good as Fanny, I think.

Joan Fontaine

And Rita Hayworth must be Mary Crawford. I got that idea before I started my re-read, and she’s been subtly replacing my mental image ever since (something which very rarely happens to me). I could hear her reciting the lines as I read them.

Rita Hayworth in You'll Never Get Rich 1941

But more about my Mansfield Park dream cast in another post.

~ SPOILERS Speaking of Mary, I felt like her characterization may have subtly shifted throughout the book…not like a deliberately written character arc, but like Jane Austen just adjusted her character a bit to make her more unlikeable and to make it more clear Edmund shouldn’t have married her. It’s hard for me to reconcile the Mary who was shocked at Mrs. Norris insulting Fanny and spent the whole evening afterwards talking with Fanny and trying to comfort her with the Mary who is slyly intimating that it would be a blessing for everyone if Tom Bertram would just die and leave Edmund as the heir of Mansfield. END SPOILERS

~ Something that rubbed me the wrong way the first time I read Mansfield Park is that I feel like there’s a sort of snobbishness in how Fanny’s home in Portsmouth is presented as compared to Mansfield Park. While part of Fanny’s extreme discomfort at being in Portsmouth is due to her mother and father’s utter indifference to her, a large part of it is simply due to the fact she considers everything very unrefined and coarse and – to be quite blunt – beneath her. It rather felt – to me, anyway – that this was presented as the sort of inevitable way of things – that the poor relations would inevitably be indifferent and vulgar and the rich relations would inevitably be superior and to be preferred (even though many of them were also indifferent to Fanny and morally no superior than the crowd at Portsmouth). And as aforementioned, all that rubbed me the wrong way. Maybe I’m just misreading this, though.

~ I liked Edmund much more than I remembered. I think people who dismiss him as boring and stupid and not worthy of Fanny are underrating him. He is a very upright, principled, compassionate sort of fellow who truly cares about Fanny – and while his affection for Miss Crawford sometimes makes him neglect Fanny’s comfort, he’s always appalled and furious with himself when it comes to his attention that he’s done this. And although he would probably deny it, he actually does have a bit of a dry, understated sense of humor that I quite liked.

Mansfield Park illustration by Hugh Thomson

SPOILERS ‘TILL THE END

That being said, though, Edmund and Fanny’s relationship doesn’t quite sit right with me. Edmund really fills the part of an older brother to Fanny throughout a large portion of her childhood. Jane Austen makes a point of mentioning more than once that Fanny’s opinions, tastes, judgment, &c. are all pretty much directly from Edmund. And while that wouldn’t bother me if their relationship eventually evolved into something which felt more equal…it doesn’t. As it is, it feels like Fanny retains a position of…I don’t know, almost of inferiority, of dependency on Edmund. Her position relative to him feels more like a little sister’s relationship to her older brother than what a husband and wife’s reciprocal dependency and trust in each other should look like. (Not at all to say, by the way, that Fanny is actually inferior to Edmund – she isn’t, especially in the common sense department.)

I think this overall impression is probably aided by the fact that about eighty percent of Edmund’s conversations with Fanny throughout the book are very one-sided unburdenings of his romantic issues onto her. We love you, Edmund, but seriously.

~ I also felt intensely, intensely, frustrated by the Henry Crawford plot this time around. I so wanted Henry to persevere and become the good person that he was starting to become. I absolutely think it was possible for him to really change, ad that it wasn’t inevitable that he fall back into his old ways – in fact, Jane Austen pretty much tells us outright that he would have continued on his good trajectory if he hadn’t allowed himself to fall into the temptation of staying in London to meet Mrs. Rushworth, and furthermore that if Edmund had married Mary, Fanny would have eventually quite willingly married a reformed Henry. And to be quite honest, I emotionally would have preferred the story to end with Fanny marrying a reformed Henry. Henry is despicable in the first half of the book, don’t get me wrong, but I downright like him in the second half of the book. He was able to recognize Fanny’s true worth, for one thing, and having done that, he was really willing to change and to put in real work to make himself worthy of her. His downfall is so heartbreaking to me because Jane Austen makes it clear that it’s not the case that he was just never serious about changing; he was, and he still wanted Fanny and all the truly good things she represented. But one moment of weakness led him back down the wrong path again and caused him to lose his hope of real contentment, and I find that absolutely tragic.

(Of course, if Fanny married Henry, I suppose that would mean that Edmund would marry Mary, and I don’t like that idea anywhere near as much. I don’t see them being happy together for long – I think it’s likely that before too long Edmund would find out how deceived he was as to Mary’s character and become very disillusioned. But it would be really interesting to see them work through their issues together, wouldn’t it? We don’t see anywhere near as much potential for change in Mary as in Henry, but I firmly believe she has it in her if she dug for it hard enough.)

Anyhow, that’s enough rambling from me for one sitting. Have you read Mansfield Park? Any ideas for my dream cast? What are your favorite Jane Austen books?


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10 Comments

  1. Liz Churchill

    Great post, Lizzie! It reminds me of my need for a “Mansfield Park” reread. ๐Ÿ™‚

    I have read “Mansfield Park”, but it has been a long while… Maybe five years?

    For some reason a young Danny Kaye came to mind for Edward… But I fear he would turn the book into a comedy, haha.

    My favorite Jane Austen books are: “Pride and Prejudice”, “Persuasion”, and “Northanger Abbey”.

    • Lizzie Hexam

      Ooh, I can kind of see Danny Kaye in the role…but yes, I think he’s too much fun. xD Actually, I can see a somewhat-subdued Danny Kaye working well for Edward Ferrars in Sense and Sensibility – I think that a mostly serious but also awkward and slightly goofy and tongue-in-cheek portrayal could work really well for him.

      It’s been far too long since I read Northanger Abbey or alas, even Pride and Prejudice…I’m definitely overdue for a reread!

      Thanks for reading! (:

  2. Emi

    I love it when people are so very good at summing up the very things I’m thinking myself๐Ÿ˜„ It’s been aaaaaaaages (okay, maybe ages with just one A. Or just like a couple of years XD) since I read Mansfield Park, but you’re saying so much of what I was thinking as I read it… (Only I forget who Henry is, and that must mean it’s time for a reread XD)

    Oh, I think you’re spot on with your dream casting, (Unfortunately I am not very good at that sort of thing myself, and therefore have nothing to add to the cast๐Ÿ˜œ) and most particularly about how Fanny’s home is portrayed… Just a little bit of love and care, and it would be unfathomable to trade even the simplest life for riches where there is none… It isn’t the station of life that makes a place a good home or not!

    And if I go over all the Things this will be extremely long again XD So I shan’t. Only it yet remains to say what an excellent post it was, and that it always impresses me when people can so beautifully corral their thoughts, and put them down in words like this! Which talent you inarguably possess in spades ๐Ÿ˜›

    • Lizzie Hexam

      I know, it’s been ages (or maybe aaages with three ‘a’s? It’s difficult to be precise with such things ;D) since I read a lot of the Jane Austen books too. It’s probably been at least four or five years since I’ve read most of them…I’m definitely long overdue for a re-read!

      Yes, that’s how I felt too about Fanny’s home…on the one hand I’m all for realism, but on the other hand, I *don’t* think it’s an essential that a poor home will be an unpleasant indifferent one. (And it’s a little strange how Jane Austen painted it that way, since the importance of marrying for affection and not for money is something she often stresses!)

      Oh I say, really now! Thanks awfully and all that *blushes*

      • Emi

        (It is rather, at that๐Ÿ˜„) I should probably should that myself… Especially since I’m sort of rediscovering how much I actually do enjoy a good book these days, and rereading is very much like visiting an old friend๐Ÿค—

        Perhaps she wrote it in a time when her pantry was not over well stocked, and she was irritated into painting humble abodes into unpleasant ones ๐Ÿ˜›

        But of course ๐Ÿ™‚

        • Lizzie Hexam

          Rereading is lovely…I tend to neglect it in favor of seeking out new books, but rereading can be so much more relaxing and COZIER. Like you say, it’s like visiting an old friend, and that is just as important as meeting new ones ๐Ÿ˜€

          Hehe, that sounds like a very tenable theory to me xD

  3. Okay, the instant you said Rita Hayworth for Mary, I was like YES. That’s so perfect.

    I enjoyed reading these thoughts!! I’ve thought for a while (especially after having read a couple blog posts semi-recently about it) that it’s really high time for me to reread Mansfield Park. It’s the only Jane Austen book I haven’t reread, because it’s the only one I disliked. I was also, like, ten years old when I read all her books for the first time, so some reassessing might be in order.

    I know something that bothered me then was that to me it didn’t feel like a happy ending for Fanny to end up with Edmund, because he sort of overlooked and undervalued her the whole time (not as a person, but as a romantic partner). I also think it would’ve been more emotionally satisfying for Henry to have reformed? But I appreciate the realism (I especially appreciate it now that I’m older) of him giving into temptation and then deciding that he’s gone too far. I know people like that, and it’s incredibly frustrating when you could see them getting better…but they’re just not strong enough yet, and then when they relapse they refuse to have the spine and stick-with-it-ness to climb back up again. And they very selfishly assume that it’s only themselves they’re hurting by this, when actually they’re also hurting you because you cared about them and invested in helping them get better (not that I’m bitter or anything hahaha DEFINITELY NOT)–but yeah, the realism is nice? But what I’m trying to say in my very long-winded way here is that potentially Fanny being “better” than Edmund (at least to my child-eyes) and Edmund realizing in the end that she WAS more discerning than him would fix that imbalance you feel between the two. So maybe I’d better appreciate their ending?

    I also agree that I think I remember thinking “this isn’t the Mary I know” toward the end, like I’m not sure Austen played entirely fair with how she wrote her. And yeah, the interactions between the characters in the story overall are I think some of the best, most realistic and nuanced Austen ever wrote.

    (In short: I enjoyed this post a lot–and I’m glad you enjoyed your reread–and I really ought to reread myself. Also, congrats on getting to the end of the semester!!)

    • Lizzie Hexam

      I know, wouldn’t she be ridiculously perfect?

      I definitely understand what you’re saying…but at the same time, I still feel like I would have preferred the less realistic and more emotionally satisfying ending. xD I think I would especially have preferred it because that would be something very different in a Jane Austen story…I can’t think of any other stories of hers where the villain actually reforms, even when he’s semi-sympathetic and remorseful (like Willoughby). Basically, I guess I feel like we get enough realism of that kind in her other stories, so I would enjoy a little departure into the unlikely-but-potentially-possible for just this one. ๐Ÿ˜›

      Interestingly enough, Edmund’s consistent overlooking of Fanny romantically didn’t really annoy me that much, at least on this read-through…since they do have a very brotherly/sisterly type of relationship, I think it’s understandable that – while he values her very highly as a person – the idea of her as a romantic prospect would simply not occur to him.

      Thanks so much for reading, and I hope you have a wonderful Christmas!

  4. Ruth

    Now I must apologize for my appalling lateness, and my semester has been over for a couple weeks now. Where *has* the time gone?

    I highly suspect that we were reading MP at the same time. I just finished it–my first time!–in November. This was such an interesting post! I agree that MP is very moralistic for Austen–and it’s very riveting. I also think it’s just–sad? I think you articulated the issues with Edmund and Fanny very well. (“About eighty percent of Edmundโ€™s conversations with Fanny throughout the book are very one-sided unburdenings of his romantic issues onto her. We love you, Edmund, but seriously.” XD) Your point about Fanny’s being inferior/dependent in their relationship is extremely interesting because I definitely think she’s the superior person on almost any other level.

    I have to pause and just say: I LOVE FANNY PRICE with all my heart. Far and away my favorite Austen heroine.

    I must admit, I didn’t have much sympathy towards Henry, but reading your thoughts . . . yeah, it is tragic. I am not overly fond of Edmund, either. I don’t know, the ending felt to me like: Everyone got what they deserved, except for Fanny (who got less than she deserved) and Edmund (who got more than he deserved). And I’m not sure how I feel about anything. ๐Ÿ˜› Your alternate ending would be fascinating, too.

    Hm. Many thoughts and no words. ๐Ÿ˜› ๐Ÿ˜›

    • Lizzie Hexam

      Don’t ask me where it went! If I find where it’s been hiding, I’ll let you know.

      Oh, how fun that we were unknowingly reading it together ๐Ÿ˜€ It is a really interesting juxtaposition with Fanny and Edmund…because I agree, character-wise and common-sense-wise Fanny is superior to Edmund. And yet, I do think she feels like a dependent in their relationship. ‘Tis strange.

      (Yes!! You are a girl after my own heart. I love Fanny – she’s the first Austen heroine who really ‘clicked’ with me – and it makes me sad that she’s so little appreciated. Jane Austen’s own mother called Fanny ‘insipid,’ which is just Mean.)

      I can understand your mixed feelings…I think this story is one that needs a lot of mulling and digesting. I think in general I’ve grown to like most of the characters more over time…except Aunt Norris. She’s just horrible. ๐Ÿ˜›

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